Remove all evasive skills from all marksmans!!

dieru

goarweam replied at 2017-8-9 01:25 PM
Karrie is like the dumbest hero ever created.
Her 2nd skill that allows her to pursue you non stop,  ...

It is exactly why all focus on karrie being broken. But if you consider other mm skills you will find the same shit everywhere.
Roger - percentage damage dealer that look like marksman but assassin in disguise. And he will never run out of skills to chase you

Bruno - auto refreshed skill 2! Meet pro bruno player? Sliding 3 times in 5 second! Dont try to run for this one also

Moskov - you charge to him? Knockback and if lucky some stun - you still chase him, no worries skill 1 cd is already off

Clint - 3 burst shot from clint enough to make you dissapear when he build the correct item!

Marksmans - assassin with range

Ditya

dieru replied at 2017-8-6 03:41 PM
Low durability or they make retard burst damage build? Even another class like assassin never go f ...

if they make some defense item then their damage won't burst as much or their mobillity is lowered, also in early game they don't do much damage, trust me i used being mm in my team, but now i prefer using cyclops because of the stable damage output
Also if u see marksman centered type of team play aggresively, take their jungle poke them using mage, gank them regrulary then u will see how useless marksman is
alltough i can understand there's many people worship using marksman because they can be op, but then again trust me unbalanced team will collapse when facing balanced team
BTW for karrie a nerf on her ult is all it takes to make her weaker and not op, maybe shorter ult duration and longer cooldown will make her more balanced

dieru

Ditya replied at 2017-8-9 09:34 PM
if they make some defense item then their damage won't burst as much or their mobillity is lowered ...

Ok, but it is what a marksman should do... i mean they need to provide steady dps not burst!
burst is for assassin job why marksmans need a burst? So based on your argument, basically you are agree that marksman is an assassin with advantage of being range right? So i will point the flaw in your argument. What i complain about marksmans is their damage output, range, plus survival skills. So it is quite unbalanced since mostly all of another class need to buy some defensive item in order to survive! If there is no difference in damage output, range is always prefered! Natalia vs moskov for example, so natalia got 1st skill for double dash, and second skill for immunity and slow, moskov are quite the same, 1st skill for dash, and 2nd skills for stun! but the difference is natalia need to get close to the target in order to kill. But if you are playing moskov, you can just do basic attack from far range, or even penetrate by using some creep! And why defensive item makes their mobility being lowered?  is there a new unique passive for defensive item that say if you buy defensive item your movement speed will be decreased?

As regarding the jungle, try to gank moskov in the jungle, he will knockback you and if they are lucky you will be stunned to death! not to mention bruno for his escaping sliding, miya with super purify, and clint with evasive dodge that can cross the wall. yes you can gank them in the jungle, but their money wont stop to increase anyway. And in at least minute 13 their money will reach 8k in the worst case.

Ditya

dieru replied at 2017-8-9 09:47 PM
Ok, but it is what a marksman should do... i mean they need to provide steady dps not burst!
burst  ...

I am bad using assassin so i can't say for sure, and now rather confused lol
So back to the topic is your problem because marksman having an evasive skill or having a high amount of damage?
for the escape problem gank using a hero that is capable of chasing like zi long, karina, natalie, alucard, and many other that i can list on or just stun and deal with them quickly
and for damage i think marksman not dealing burst damage compared to mage, but if marksman is attacking squishy heroes of course they can take them out in 2-3 basic attack after all it's their role to attack from afar
But i think our point of view can't meet tough, so let's end this argument
but it was a nice discussion thou

cv88id

agree with marks specialty, because mark have everything you need in the game..

cv88id

agree with marks specialty, because mark have everything you need in the game.. but 5 marks is bad.. tankk is the worst for pick.. what  is special from tank? nothing!!! fighter can do more than fighter and can be a marks too... so why you need tank? 3 pro marks user can end game in 8 minutes!!!! try it if you don't believe....

cv88id

agree with marks specialty, because mark have everything you need in the game.. but 5 marks is bad.. tankk is the worst for pick.. what  is special from tank? nothing!!! fighter can do more than fighter and can be a marks too... so why you need tank? 3 pro marks user can end game in 8 minutes!!!! try it if you don't believe....

dieru

cv88id replied at 2017-8-10 12:11 PM
agree with marks specialty, because mark have everything you need in the game.. but 5 marks is bad.. ...

That is right! Why you even need a tank if you can kill lord anyway! Fighter? We have roger, mage burst?? Just use clint, assassin?? Just use karrie, support? Come on marksman already have stun and slow anyway why need support!

Thewingman287

I think 1 on 1 yes marksman can do better than any other class, but don't forget this is game is encourage you to gank and team fight, having 5 marksmans won't kill 5 fighers, maybe you can kill mage and tank. Assassins is good for 1 on 1 so let not discuss there. Remember when the marksman is escaping which mean they are done for damage, it may save there own life but won't win in a 5 vs 5 team fight situation. If a

Thewingman287

If all your of you go solo then it is too bad, but if you gank right with fighters, tank and mage then it doesn't need 2 sec to kill a marksman, and yes this includes moskov and karrie, they are not hard to kill at all