Remove all evasive skills from all marksmans!!

dieru

Thewingman287 replied at 2017-8-10 06:19 PM
If all your of you go solo then it is too bad, but if you gank right with fighters, tank and mage th ...

Then you agree if marksman is tough to by 1 with right? If you go 5 vs 5 the enemy also will protect the marksmans all of that cost. So your analogy is invalid and not even support proof that marksman alone is unbalanced class. Basically in medieval war archer position is considered fragile that is why you place them behind. Not considering mongolian archer that using horse and have high mobility but sacrificing damage (light bow vs heavy bow). That is why they need to protect the archer position since they lack of mobility and easily killed by cavalry that charge into them. But imagine that they have teleport skills or instant jump to escape the battle. Then your charging armies charge for nothing. I agree that in 5 - 5 situation marksmans are easier to gank. But it doesnt mean that marksman itself is balanced. Let say that you use yunshao and charge alone to moskov. He can just knockback you and use his teleport to escape! And he dont even need flicker. Have you ever met pro bruno player? What will they do is just kick the ball, slide into the ball, kick again and slide again, and they dont even need a flicker/defensive item!

Thewingman287

dieru replied at 2017-8-10 07:16 PM
Then you agree if marksman is tough to by 1 with right? If you go 5 vs 5 the enemy also will prote ...

Well a pro player deserves that. Like you say there are bruno, clint moskov etc. So many to choose from, why none of your teammate pick them and master them? MARKSMAN is another fancy word of damage killer, having different evasion skills add balance and charateristic to them. Imagine there is no marksman have evasion skills but replace with another OP high damage skill, do you think you would have a chance to fight? For a Pro marksman they can win any situation with that and that would call OP and unbalance. Having a skill to escape doesnt make marksman stronger. Yes moskov and bruno skill is kinda OP but if im able to get close to them, i dont have an issue to kill them. There are so many brush for hiding and i do hide when i use tank or fighter, and even marksman.  The right item build can help you to overcome the issue, or i should say some heroes are designed to be easily killed by marksman, this is what i have found and i do avoid to use those heroes these days. The esavion skill of marksman is only make them harder to catch, but if you are in the right attacking range from the start and you should easily knock down half of their hp. like i use Roger in wolf form have no trouble to kill karrie and moskov; for bruno i enjoy using Layla and Franco 1 on 1 him. Gatot for Layla and myia etc. Use the right hero to encounter the right marksman is the only advice that i can give you, sorry

dieru

Thewingman287 replied at 2017-8-10 08:16 PM
Well a pro player deserves that. Like you say there are bruno, clint moskov etc. So many to choose ...

900 crit damage with scarlet phantom while ur enemy basically tank is op honey --
Not to mention the damage from fallen sword and another shit true damage from another item. Just for your comparison, can kagura kill marksman? One bullet from clint is enough to take her 3/4 hp and you are not saying that kind of marksman is balanced? And roger, yes.. karrie in disguise, no one ask for his nerf while basically he is the same as karina.
Can assassin one hit marksmans with defensive item? No since their hp reach 4-5k even with no defensive item build! Please compare mm with fighter that need to build some defensive item! Technically 5 critical damage is enough to wipe out fighter with 6-7hp! And they build some defensive item!

ClassyFish

I actually agree, tanks, mages and supports need buffs.

Thewingman287

dieru replied at 2017-8-10 08:27 PM
900 crit damage with scarlet phantom while ur enemy basically tank is op honey --
Not to mention t ...

That crit is not even high, for my Layla full build i do over 1400 crit damage plus 250 magic damage with 85% chance, when i see tank i replace with demon hunter sword, i melt tank and karrie 1 on 1. i dont give a damn on her true damage and i dont even bother to build tooth of greed, just full damage with speed. This is why so important to have the right build and position yourself depend on the hero you use. My ffranco can be OP too on a good day as i hook and flick back, use ult to stun hero and use turret do the killing.  Clint is a trick one and he is one of the worst i used to play, he jump back and out of his attack range and yes if 1 on 1 a fighter is fun but thats about it for me. Never manage to kill like normal marksman. This is what i hate to encounter clint and the new Harley as they come in and go lowering your hp. I have a choice to switch lane or stay and defence at turret, but in the end this is my play style and i have see many moskov clint myia killed by zilong and other heroes. So i guess my right thing to say is find your own winning formula, like i tank up Franco i would do badly but fully AP build i could change the game. What hero do you use normally?

Thewingman287

They nerf Kagura skill speed and that's why i have chosen Gatot not Kagura, see my other post if you want to know why. Kagura is a controlling hero, dealing damage is fine but need an ending move to kill in the last updated. I can only see pro can use her well these days, don't mention marksman one on one even her range has improve, but the attack speed is not there, that is why hero mismatch, sometimes

Thewingman287

To be honest, i think this is a bug for the game, lifesteal do the trick not to have defensive item. I have found only good for early in the game but in later game it is all about speed and high damage, no matter what kind of hero you use. Just my 2 cent

homelessgamer

most of your post basically whining and butthurt of being owned by a marksman. all role has its plus and minus in my opinion, marksmen are good at damage but have a really shit armor and HP. that's why they stay behind tanks to carry on. some marksman do have evasive skills,like karrie,clint, yss, maybe using flicker,etc but i think it's not enough to escape from assasin or even fighter. if youre good enough, marksman are easy to kill.. 1 sec of disable is enough for a fighter to kill a marksman. so what im trying to say is git gud and learn how to teamplay. all roles are important and there's no overpowered role, all roles complete each other

beklog

Thewingman287 replied at 2017-8-10 09:03 PM
To be honest, i think this is a bug for the game, lifesteal do the trick not to have defensive item. ...

Hmm not really, there are heroes like GK that can make the MMs pay for trying to kill him

Thewingman287

beklog replied at 2017-8-11 12:30 PM
Hmm not really, there are heroes like GK that can make the MMs pay for trying to kill him

Yes this is one of my point eariler to explain some heroes mismatch and give you some advantages. In my view all hero with low amor and low mr are easy to kill, regardless hp level. Base on my play style, i only find karina and chou are the least heroes i have killed after hundreds of games. Any other heroes are not hard to kill or dominate if i can stay alive and earn enough gold for item build. I dont see any hero is OP in ML