Remove all evasive skills from all marksmans!!

dieru

homelessgamer replied at 2017-8-11 12:06 PM
most of your post basically whining and butthurt of being owned by a marksman. all role has its plus ...

The question is do they even need defensive item? Do they lack of HP or their build that makes them low durability? What i mean in here is marksman itself as a class is a center on this game, which makes a lot of other role seems not to shine (except assassin of course). Do you even solo matchup when all teams want to play mm?
Usually they just go first pick and go with ego that they will carry the entire team, takes all buff and jungle and get angry when someone take their buff/jungle monster
Just look to other class like mage, that can't even go to jungle (actually they can but hard). Or tank that is least picked in matchup. If this class continue to shine up. What is the role about other class? Just suplementary hero so games is 5vs5?
In season 2 - early season 3 usually mage go middle and can stand against marksman. That was when i see a lot of pro kagura, gord, or even eudora stand in middle line. I have seen many lolita go solo mid against marksman/mage in that season also. That is why i feel marksman role is need a balancing so they can depend more on support/mages (which is rewarding support and mage player). At least they feel depended and can say a little thanks to other role in early game. Since early game in this game is so short.
There are a lot of suggestion or course, like buff base damage of mage so they can go vs marksman in the mid lane, and buff tank durability.
But the first of all is to make them more depended on support heroes by removing their evasion skill. Of course many players have different opinion on this. But my goal is to make this game is less marksman dependent.

KevinDurance

A very strange idea. Many fighters and tanks also have effects that can accelerate or move heroes and catch up with archers. And about the bushes you forgot?

dieru

KevinDurance replied at 2017-8-12 01:03 AM
A very strange idea. Many fighters and tanks also have effects that can accelerate or move heroes an ...

Ok lets make some fighter list and tank list
1. Lolita -> no charge, 1 uncertain conditional stun and 2 uncertain slow
2. Mino -> no charge 1 slow 3 airborne effect
3. Akai -> one charge 1 uncertain perma 4 second stun
4. Johnson -> one bull move 1 slow 2 stun (uncertain)
5. Tigreal -> one charge 1 airborne 1 slow 1 stun
6. Balmond -> one charge
7. hilda -> one charge, 1 jump 3 chase
8. lapu - lapu -> 2 charge 1 stun
9. freya -> one charge 1 stun
10. chou -> 1 small charge, 1 uncertain stun, 1 slow passive, 1 kick
11. ruby -> 3 slow (passive), 2 stun (uncertain since she doesn't have reliable charge)
12. alucard -> 3 chase, 1 charge, 1 slow (he is assassin anyway)
13. yunshao -> 1 charge, 1 sprint, 1 stun
14. franco -> 1 hook (unreliable), 1 slow, 1 stun

Marksman
1. moskov -> 1 evasion, 1 knockback + stun (uncertain)
2. karrie -> 1 evasion 1 slow (2 second cooldown)
3. miya -> 1 uncertain slow, 1 super purify
4. roger -> 2 charge, 1 jump (ulti, 4 second cd), 1 sprint
5. yi shun sin -> 1 evasion 3 slow
6. clint -> 1 blind + slow, 1 slow + evasion

and marksman can use bush too --

KevinDurance

dieru replied at 2017-8-12 01:39 AM
Ok lets make some fighter list and tank list
1. Lolita -> no charge, 1 uncertain conditional stun  ...

Archer - this word implies dexterity not only in attack but also in abilities. Almost in all games archers have a chance to dodge, because they are dexterous. This is logical

haoenlin

I main Karina and i do like destroying Full ad mage+marksmen by one shooting them.No probs

RedRidingHood

I agree that this game is MM centered. sometimes, a Mm is conceited. I was Kagura and was farming the bkue buff early game and this conceited MM decided to steal my blue buff bybusing retribution even after I clicked retreat. They jungle also.. For you to kill a Mm with eveasive skill, you should have someone with you. If you're a mage, you can't 1vs1 with a mm, unless it's early game.. On my second account, when I was still playing, I was Kagura, one was Alu.. and guess what other heroes we have? Karrie, Roger and Layla.. And that Roger decided to be a jungler, Alu was jungling too.  And that Karrie also decided to steal the blue buff from me.. It always happens to me, those MM retards just want to have everything esp on lower elo.. my second account which is GM1, we still have them. I don't agree bu removing their evasive skills, maybe just give it a longer CD?

RedRidingHood

I agree that this game is MM centered. sometimes, a Mm is conceited. I was Kagura and was farming the bkue buff early game and this conceited MM decided to steal my blue buff bybusing retribution even after I clicked retreat. They jungle also.. For you to kill a Mm with eveasive skill, you should have someone with you. If you're a mage, you can't 1vs1 with a mm, unless it's early game.. On my second account, when I was still playing, I was Kagura, one was Alu.. and guess what other heroes we have? Karrie, Roger and Layla.. And that Roger decided to be a jungler, Alu was jungling too.  And that Karrie also decided to steal the blue buff from me.. It always happens to me, those MM retards just want to have everything esp on lower elo.. my second account which is GM1, we still have them. I don't agree bu removing their evasive skills, maybe just give it a longer CD?

cashisking

a better suggestion: remove the noobs from the rank games and force them to play AI.

darkmicewar

Me , myself dont play marksmen and i dontlike most o fthem. i do like Miya nad Irithel but thats it. So i can assure you that im not a mm lover or sometihng like that. im a mage main and ill be honest that even in ranked games, i can one combo almost anyone but tank! yes i do (i use aurora mostly so yeah) , although yeah i know you will say how many times can aurora use her ultimate and how many times can a miya use her basic attack? The thing is teammates! once you eliminate their mm, i think your team should be sensible enough to help you too? It all depends! as for 5 mm teams, they're pathetic! i will laugh at them if imMinotaur wit ha good friend of mine (he uses harley) orr if im aurora.

Synology

cashisking replied at 2017-9-9 11:50 AM
a better suggestion: remove the noobs from the rank games and force them to play AI.

I like this idea